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Mohawk52 wrote:

Well in all fairness, When Japan is trying to develop its culture into a commodity for international investment, these bits of their culture don't help in making that viable in a global market that is starting to colour itself as "ethical". This is nothing new as Japan has been trying to learn to be embarassed about its way of life since the Edo period after Commodore Parry ripped the roof off their nation.

Blame Hirohito, Hitler and Mussolini for that.

Mohawk52 wrote:

People keep pointing to Japan's low crime rate. I'm not as convinced that the statistics used to claim this are that accurate. Japan is a very self conscience nation and it wouldn't surprise me if many incidents of sexual harassment and rape, are not reported because of when it is reported, it is met with complacence and indifference by police, for many reasons but one of not making their precinct look bad to the politicians elected to that area, so victims just don't bother and live with the injury. Just ask the parents of Lindsey Hawker, who have been to Japan several times and only got lipservice with no arrest and conviction yet.

Take it from someone who's spent 6 years (total) at MCAS Iwakuni and MCAS Futenma on the Okinawa and Honshu(mainland) islands, respectfully, you're only scratching the tip of a huge iceberg.

Seriously, if there's any group of foreigners that could understand the problem that nation has with being dismissive of molestation and rape towards little girls and young women of un-notable decent, it's the Marines that spend years stationed there. As sad as it is, I'm talking first and secondhand accounts that sometimes even involve Marines.

The most troubling thing for me, was witnessing the complacency of the parents and family, in many cases, were they'd often show blame towards the victim before (aka. instead of) aggressively pursuing justice.

Perhaps, my experiences in Japan have influenced my intolerance of the pedophilia and rape that is so regularly depicted in such a light-hearted, glamorized, sexual arousing and/or normalizing way in Japanese manga and anime.
However, I'd like to think that, even without the reality-check of 6+ years worth of exposure to the bizarre rationale formed by family honor meshing with cultural/national pride and a pop culture that normalizes pedophilia/rape, I'd still possess the decency to recognize that simulations depicting pedophilia and rape as normal has the future potential to be as deteriorating to Japanese (and other nations') society as narcotics is to American society. That, and it's just freaking wrong.

Ctimene's Lover wrote:

This is porn and porn has been urged to be banned in territories for years. This isn't new.

Furthermore; if a colonial slave master leads a massacre of all the Jews in his town, while purposely infecting his slaves with smallpox and forcing them to infiltrate all the surrounding Native American villages, as he sexually penetrates the horse he's riding around town on, in some fictional movie; it is, also, porn......... and it's just freaking wrong.

luisedgarf wrote:

Blame Hirohito, Hitler and Mussolini for that.

Hirohito maybe, but the other two?

Mohawk52 wrote:

luisedgarf wrote:

Blame Hirohito, Hitler and Mussolini for that.

Hirohito maybe, but the other two?

Because Japan, Germany and Italy were members of the Axis, the losers of the WW2 and they have to suffer (especially Japan) a lot of scrutiny about their cultures because of that.

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luisedgarf wrote:

Mohawk52 wrote:

luisedgarf wrote:

Blame Hirohito, Hitler and Mussolini for that.

Hirohito maybe, but the other two?

Because Japan, Germany and Italy were members of the Axis, the losers of the WW2 and they have to suffer (especially Japan) a lot of scrutiny about their cultures because of that.

That was an alliance of military strength, not cultural ideals. Also, ignoring the child prostitution and corrupt judicial system that has plagued Italy, lately, Germany appears rather intolerant towards actual molestation and rape, as well as the normalization of those acts by fictional media.

HyugaHinata wrote:

Violent media and porn do NOT lead to more crime. They reduce crime by providing an outlet for stress.

Seldom do I ever see statements made on the internet that are more ignorant than these type of baseless responses.......

Monster in a box wrote:

Yawn. Been here, done this. I swear there's one of these articles every month.

Well that got a chuckle out of me. Laughing

I hope WEAZEL....err... FOX News never gets a whiff of these articles (if they haven't already).

I don't want propaganda against Manga/Anime/H-Games on national TV.... Surprised

This might make me the oddball, but I wouldn't mind the end of child porn in anime. In Japan the the general consensus on how to make something better seems to be to increase the child porn factor.

Everyone keeps mentioning how low Japan's crime rate is. Why? Do you think that if they banned child porn in manga/anime the crime rate would sky rocket?

luisedgarf wrote:

Mohawk52 wrote:

luisedgarf wrote:

Blame Hirohito, Hitler and Mussolini for that.

Hirohito maybe, but the other two?

Because Japan, Germany and Italy were members of the Axis, the losers of the WW2 and they have to suffer (especially Japan) a lot of scrutiny about their cultures because of that.

Yeah I know that, but Parry opened pandora's box in1854, and later, when Japan sent their ambassadors out into the world, those ambassadors discovered they had a lot of explaining to do about those coloured drawings that use to be wrapped round certain exports, and the reports of co-ed bathing Wink

The_X_box_360 wrote:

Furthermore; if a colonial slave master leads a massacre of all the Jews in his town, while purposely infecting his slaves with smallpox and forcing them to infiltrate all the surrounding Native American villages, as he sexually penetrates the horse he's riding around town on, in some fictional movie; it is, also, porn......... and it's just freaking wrong.

I don't get what you're saying. Clearly the act of doing it is wrong, are you saying the existence of the idea is wrong? That's ridiculous.

Are you saying that drawing a picture of said events occurring would be "just freaking wrong?" That's equally ridiculous.

russ869 wrote:

The_X_box_360 wrote:

Furthermore; if a colonial slave master leads a massacre of all the Jews in his town, while purposely infecting his slaves with smallpox and forcing them to infiltrate all the surrounding Native American villages, as he sexually penetrates the horse he's riding around town on, in some fictional movie; it is, also, porn......... and it's just freaking wrong.

I don't get what you're saying. Clearly the act of doing it is wrong, are you saying the existence of the idea is wrong? That's ridiculous.

Are you saying that drawing a picture of said events occurring would be "just freaking wrong?" That's equally ridiculous.

I couldn't agree more. Indeed, one of the techniques used by police to catch paedophiles and other scum is to think like them. That's why they go undercover and pose online as young girls.

Question:

I just drew a couple chibis being horribly raped by an octopus. I try to sell this in the artist alley at a con.

Do I...

A) Just get weird looks
B) Get arrested because I obviously send octopuses after little kids
C) Get Peedo painted all over the front of my house for the very idea
D) laugh as I go to doodle some more because it doesn't mean squat

littlegreenwolf wrote:

Question:

I just drew a couple chibis being horribly raped by an octopus. I try to sell this in the artist alley at a con.

Do I...

A) Just get weird looks
B) Get arrested because I obviously send octopuses after little kids
C) Get Peedo painted all over the front of my house for the very idea
D) laugh as I go to doodle some more because it doesn't mean squat

E: You make a killing AND protect children by providing an alternative. Smile

Mr. sickVisionz wrote:

Everyone keeps mentioning how low Japan's crime rate is. Why? Do you think that if they banned child porn in manga/anime the crime rate would sky rocket?

It's the rule of unintended consequences. No one knows exactly why the rate is low. The result of making a major change in the dynamics of a stable, large, complex system is usually unpredictable with any precision. Skyrocket? Doubtful. Increase in physical crime? As likely as not.

The point here is that the odds of it improving the crime statistics are virtually zero. The loss of an economic component is bad, so it would be a net negative to society. No validated proof has ever been presented that links adult materials to increase in sexy-related crime--and not for lack of trying. In fact pure numbers seem to indicate the opposite.

There simply is no "reason" behind this. It's purely political and a hobby horse of a small but radical organization. They see it as an easy target for gaining publicity for their cause, disregarding the actual cost in lost revenue, the cost of enforcement and other consequences to Japan, including a potential increase in actual sexual-related crimes.

Mohawk52 wrote:

luisedgarf wrote:

Mohawk52 wrote:

luisedgarf wrote:

Blame Hirohito, Hitler and Mussolini for that.

Hirohito maybe, but the other two?

Because Japan, Germany and Italy were members of the Axis, the losers of the WW2 and they have to suffer (especially Japan) a lot of scrutiny about their cultures because of that.

Yeah I know that, but Parry opened pandora's box in1854, and later, when Japan sent their ambassadors out into the world, those ambassadors discovered they had a lot of explaining to do about those coloured drawings that use to be wrapped round certain exports, and the reports of co-ed bathing Wink

I personally think that none of those things such as child pornography would have been legalized if Japan had not lost the big WWII. Pornography had always been heavily opposed in Japan from the 18th century onwards, with even "Artistic" novels such as Vita Sexualis being banned in the 1900's. It wasn't until the postwar concern over freedom of speech that there began to form a toleration for pornography, including child pornography.

The U.S. is fighting 2 wars, the world's economy is in bad shape, people are homeless, people are dying from all sorts of diseases everyday and the U.N. is worried about this? Instead of worrying about what the Japanese do in terms of Anime, Manga and Video Games, I think they might want to turn to these issues first. How about you find bin Laden, help uplift people out of poverty dismantle North Korean's and Iran's Nuclear program. Their way too many issues the U.N. has to deal with, this should not be one.

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