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Your thoughts on "American" anime?

Oh and even those examples you posted are still more detailed than your average anime characters...

Sorry to say, but I must beg to differ. I've seen hordes of other anime that possess much more detail than most modern-day Western animation.
For instance, I find these characters from A Certain Scientific Railgun to be more detailed and more attractive than the characters from...say, Johnny Test.
I've seen plenty of details and beauty put into the characters of My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute (OreImo), whereas with the characters from Phineas and Ferb, there's no shading present and the bodies seem to possess an "amorphous" sort of shape.
Then there's the folks in Total Drama Island and Fairy Tail, in which I think the latter has much more detail than the former.
In summation, when it comes to detail in both characters and backgrounds, anime shows have that advantage over cartoons by a milestone.

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Also, Western animation almost never tries to be beautiful (such as the short I posted above). It nearly always looks likes cartoon strips with some notable exceptions. The backgrounds are always very simplistic:

You have, ONCE AGAIN, failed to explain why this is a bad thing.

Branding and positioning matters. And I'm sorry to say -- American animation has branded itself as "shows for kids" or "goofy comedy", with nothing more to offer. As long as things change, it's stuck that way. How else can American animation appeal to a wider range of audience, if it limits itself to just those two stereotypes?

At any rate, it's beginning to look like just another "Let's all hate on non-anime stuff" thread, particularly driven by our forums resident closed-minded individual, TitanXL. If this is just going to be a soapbox to trash on western and non-anime productions then we can just stop the thread now as it's no longer even in the same vein of the original posts intent, and is just being used as yet another superiority complex thread for the TitanXL's of the world.

At any rate, it's beginning to look like just another "Let's all hate on non-anime stuff" thread, particularly driven by our forums resident closed-minded individual, TitanXL. If this is just going to be a soapbox to trash on western and non-anime productions then we can just stop the thread now as it's no longer even in the same vein of the original posts intent, and is just being used as yet another superiority complex thread for the TitanXL's of the world.

I'm not hating on American animation. Instead, with the amount of money thrown into making American animation -- they could do a whole whole lot better, IF (big fat IF) they start adopting Japanese animation techniques and actually make anime of their own.

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I'm not hating on American animation. Instead, with the amount of money thrown into making American animation -- they could do a whole whole lot better, IF (big fat IF) they start adopting Japanese animation techniques and actually make anime of their own. American studios are simply stuck in the philosophies of the old; and unfortunately, it make take small groups like RoosterTeeth, to sprout out their own production lines to change things. On top of that, American animation actually has to compete with Regular TV (with relatively massive budgets) for an audience (a point not mentioned here yet).

Inspiration is fine but I don't believe copying anime is gonna save American animation.

The problem with this thread is that the basic idea behind it was good but then the wapanese showed up and sent it straight to hell.

No way, Madoka's designs are totally different. It's easy to tell because I don't find them as attractive compared to other anime designs. Their heads are kind of wide and flat compared to other shows, and their eyes are much farther apart and larger

Sex sells. Do you have any idea how many "waifu", "moe", "which anime characters do you want to date/marry/f-word/etc." threads? I have to confess. Many anime on my watching list and have watched have that as a factor (mind you, it's not the only factor). After all, I'm a guy.

You're showing your bias here. TitanXL has not been as involved with this thread and the current discussion as you want to believe he's been.

You're totally proving my point. "Their heads are a little wider and their eyes are further apart"? That's nothing compared to the variation between pretty much any of the pics I posted of the different styles of western animation. I mean, you're not wrong that Madoka's characters look relatively different compared to other anime. But it's an incredibly minor distinction. The fact that it stands out as noticeably different shows just how formulaic the typical style usually is.

That's not necessarily a bad thing though, I would say. I mean, do you criticize every single live-action show or movie because it uses humans and doesn't have any variety of style?

It's like saying American superhero comic books have no variety because none of them look like Johnny Test.

You can have variety without reaching for the simplistic kids show designs.

If this means domestic animation attracts less "fans" who are really just in it to jerk off to characters they find sexy...yeah. I don't consider that a bad thing.

Why do they need to "make anime" though? I agree that western animation needs a new breakthrough overall, but simply doing what anime does is not the direction I want it to go in.

Why do they need to "make anime" though?