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Weazul-chan
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leafy sea dragon
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The idea is that they are convinced fansubbers will deliver the most pure and faithful translations because they're not doing it for money (which is not always true, as some fansubbers are not faithful at all--though it's hard to tell when you don't know the language--and some fansubbers DO turn a profit from their operations), and they like their anime as Japanese as possible, because the grass is greener on the other side. That is, they see fansubbers as a grassroots movement working against the huge corporations run by fat balding white men in business suits. The small farms up against Monsanto. Your mom-and-pop store up against Wal•Mart. Your independent art-house film up against News Corporation. Another strong camp are the people with a heavy sense of entitlement and self-centeredness, with a hint of narcissism. They don't oppose the legitimate businesses for any moral ground, but because the fansubbers will provide them with anime for free and with no commercial interruptions. When pressured about how anyone can expect to turn a profit form it, they provide excuses (as was discussed above), but in reality, they honestly don't care. Both groups would have a reason to attack Crunchyroll: The former would see Crunchyroll as an organization that's sold out to the Man, soul and all, and the latter would see Crunchyroll as a huge obstacle in the way of what they really want. In the last couple of years, I have also seen a third group pop up: The people who are against any sort of translation to anime. These are those people who have taken up Japanese classes solely to watch anime or read manga in their native language, then look down on anybody who relies on translations from Japanese (but curiously, not any other language). This is unlikely to attack Crunchyroll though, as their grudge lies with consumers and not the companies (though they resent these companies for providing localized content), and it is so far a tiny and not particularly loud minority.
I can immediately spot a hole in that argument: Any translation, of any sort, will fundamentally alter something. It's where we got the phrase "lost in translation" from. Anybody who thinks it's possible to translate something and not change even the most infintescimal thing has never translated anything before. If dubs fundamentally alter a show, so does any subtitling, including fansubs. The only thing that argument proved was that this purist was scraping for excuses. Last edited by leafy sea dragon on Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:52 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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mdo7
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OK that is even more....I just can't describe or what to say on this. The guy that did this sound like a ANN troll spewing out endless soapbox.
Well I stop watching fansub anime after finding out most of the anime I've seen had subpar translation, censorship from the TV version and not from the uncut master. Also the mentality of anime fans that keep soapboxing western companies are bad and pulling hypocrisy was the reason I stopped watching fansub anime.
Now I probably know where the Japanophile/weeaboo mentality (that include looking down and probably racist mentality against non-Japanese Asians which include Chinese and Korean) probably comes from. Last edited by mdo7 on Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:58 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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leafy sea dragon
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It's not trolling, regarding that panel. It's a frustrated individual trying to vent his or her frustration at the source, or as close to the source as possible, while hopefully persuading the audience.
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mdo7
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But it still soapboxing in my opinion. Soapboxing depend on the situation can become trolling. From my POV, what that dude just did I would judge that as soapboxing. |
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leafy sea dragon
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It IS soapboxing.
I'd distinguish it from trolling though, as soapboxing has the intent of persuasion without provocation whereas trolling has the intent of provocation without persuasion. Back on topic, I actually don't have a Crunchyroll account, but I was considering it--then the DDoS attack happened. Now that it's gone, I should go check it out. The reason it's taken so long for me is because I hate signing up for things. I don't have any social media accounts, for instance, except Google+, which is solely to comment on YouTube. |
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mangamuscle
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You can dissociate your google+ account from the youtube account and then delete your google+ account, I know because I did less than a month ago. |
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leafy sea dragon
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Hmm, interesting. Will I still get notifications from people who comment via Google+?
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mdo7
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Just to let people on ANN know, CR is now making it up for what happened, please read this and I'll quote:
Just dropping this info in case if anyone didn't see this on CR. |
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Mr. Oshawott
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That should allow any users that could watch their favorite anime shows due to the shutdown to make up for the downtime. |
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mangamuscle
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I suppose comments on your youtube videos will show (sorry, I have few videos and receive new comments every several months so I have yet to receive a new comment like I used before they force me to join google+). But they did erased all my old youtube comments (and the repies to those comments), I suppose that is google's revenge 
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leafy sea dragon
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Aw man, that'd be a dealbreaker for me. I find the comments to be my favorite part of YouTube, and anything that removes comments is not okay.
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Weazul-chan
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trolling would imply he intended to sow some level of discord, when it was pretty much just him trying to come off as morally superior. he wanted everyone to agree with him, not to cause argument. the only satisfying part of it (besides seeing Tiffany Grant tear his excuses apart, I freaking love her, she's shorter than me AND is capable of ripping to shreds the arguments of those spouting BS and readily did so without much hesitation, very weaselish in the most complimentary way) was how many people were facepalming or staring at him open mouthed like they couldn't believe he had the nerve to say that stuff at that panel and to those people. I'm pretty sure there were some people who came to watch that panel who pirated at least some of their content (even if only stuff that hadn't been licensed in some way at the time, or had the license expire long enough ago it only ever got released on VHS) and even that lot thought he was out of line and just damn crazy to go on like that. |
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mdo7
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Just in case if anybody miss it, one of the member of Lizard Squad has been arrested according to The Guardian from the UK.
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Mohawk52
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 Pirates attacking pirates. No honour amongst thieves, though I doubt these wet virtual anarchistic delinquents would know of CR's history to understand that. Poetic justice.
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