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NEWS: AnimEigo Explores Possible Bubblegum Crisis HD Kickstarter


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Chrno2



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:04 pm Reply with quote
Personally I think this is a great idea. Now that's a series that should be on HD BD. It's a great old school series but it does show it's 80's age. But I would love to see a good treatment done to a fave of mine.
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:17 pm Reply with quote
I'd prefer to see Crash over AD Police on BD, for now. As for BGC, it's been out on BD in Japan since when, 2008?
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FlamingFirewire



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:18 pm Reply with quote
Oh, yes! Please do this - if this becomes a kickstarter and it's levels are reasonable in price, I would definitely consider backing something like this!

EDIT: According to their twitter, it's also going to be region-free, and the tier you get the discs for is $25 - that's an awesome sweet spot on price/value.
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FlamingFirewire



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:24 pm Reply with quote
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
I'd prefer to see Crash over AD Police on BD, for now. As for BGC, it's been out on BD in Japan since when, 2008?


A quote from the draft page they have up right now for the kickstarter:

"Q: What about Bubblegum Crash (the Crisis sequel series)?

A: Unfortunately, for a variety of reasons, we can't commit to including Bubblegum Crash at this time. If this changes (and we hope it will), then we'll add another stretch goal (probably $300,000) that includes Crash."

EDIT: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1216340396/708365687?token=107d75bf
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:43 pm Reply with quote
AnimEigo still exists? Huh.
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Altacia



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:02 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
AnimEigo still exists? Huh.



Was thinking this too...

Laughing
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GeorgeC



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:04 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
AnimEigo still exists? Huh.



Yes, but they primarily release Samurai Cinema now.

They still have a few anime licenses left and some copies of out-of-print, out-of-license series, too, but an American BGC Blu ray would be their first ANIME Blu ray release.

I was hoping they would have done this years back BUT the economy is a lot less certain than many people think.

With the success of some Kickstarter projects I can see a wily software guy like Woodhead thinking this MIGHT be the way to go with some anime releases. IF they can't make this work with Bubblegum Gum Crisis, I don't know what other classic non-Dragonball/non-Shogukan Video anime would work... and no, I WOULDN'T count on HD Robotech or Macross any time soon in the US, nor do I think the rights holders in those cases would allow BD releases in the US.

(Aside from whatever think of the mess of Macross rights issues, again, the vibe I got in 2012 straight from the horse's mouth was that a BD release of Macross/Robotech anything in the US was unlikely any time soon. There was some very grim talk about the realities of DVD/BD anime in the US and tight marketing budgets, let alone spending money on doing hi-def conversions of any existing shows for the US market as-is. $600 BD sets won't cut it in the US and there are enough problems trying to sell $70 Blu ray sets in in the States, too.

(The days of selling $25-$30 installments per disc of anime TV series are long over but the lines for $65-$70 at a shot complete season of half-season sets of anime TV series are even less. Anime retail-wise in the US today is a trickle of what it was 2002-2004. There is NO COMPARISON whatsoever. Much healthier in 2002/2003 for sure.)

A) There is the reality that nobody knows what tomorrow brings -- especially with the economic environment being as bad as it is... (TV news is lying about this folks... It's worse than what the media is saying.) Is fandom still committed enough for projects like this?
Folks, if you can't support a RELIABLE, ENTERTAINING classic like the original Bubblegum Crisis OVA series -- far superior to the TV series version -- I don't know what to say.
I'm far from comfortable that enough existing, active fans are even aware of what this show is. Most people my generation have definitely moved on and are just not deep into anime anymore. The crowd now is definitely more clannish -- so committed to one show to the exclusion of all others (re: see cosplayers), faddish, and not that deep into anime from what I've seen personally.
I wasn't crazy about the uber-otaku I saw in California in the mid-1990s -- they were elites and some were frankly rank a-holes, too -- but at least you knew they were actually fans of this stuff offputting as they may be personally.
B) Depending on who you talk to, the US anime industry is 25% or 40% of what it used to be and domestic home video sales are way, way down. Blu ray simply isn't picking up the slack the crash in DVD sales created.
C) Online piracy has discouraged many smaller companies from getting serious about home video releases on Blu ray. It's an expensive proposition. Talking to another fellow who knew something about the computer side of Blu ray, he was saying that the constant firmware revisions and anti-piracy efforts for Blu ray are costing more than total piracy to date... (Doesn't mean anti-copy shouldn't be in effect, BUT...)
The reward for Blu ray release versus anti-theft measures has kept many companies off the BD wagon.
D) Face it, most anime fans are people who really can't afford this expensive hobby and give up after a few years, cosplayers knowing next to nothing about most series, or go into serious debt if they don't get a good-paying job and learn to budget their money.
That said, anime is pirated as much as anything else if not a bit more than the average. I think only the latest blockbuster releases on home video get worse pirating but by comparison they're far more popular and sell millions of copies still on DVD and BD. Even at the height of anime's popularity, a print run of 100,000+ was considered phenomenal, 12k-15k was more typical (for the better-selling anime DVD releases in the US).


E) Frankly, I don't care about the pessimism. If I can just pledge $20 NO-FAULT, I'd do it to have a better chance of seeing a domestic BGC Blu ray release. I want the extras to be at least as good as the domestic BGC DVD's but it might be a minor miracle getting to a tier 3/tier 4 option level.
Somehow, I don't think AD Police will happen but it's something to shoot for.

PS -- BG Crash is the weakest of the three shows. ADP ties in better to BGC if you're a Leon fan. Not a bad show in its own right, either. In any case, the OVA versions of BGC and ADP are far superior to the TV remakes. Buy the OVAs but do yourself a favor, skip the TV versions, and save some money.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:15 pm Reply with quote
If some of the upper tier donations include a nice sketch from someone like Kenichi Sonoda, then, I'll donate.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:21 pm Reply with quote
I love Bubblegum Crisis so much I bought it twice on DVD, the original release and the remastered edition. I'd probably get it a third time on Blu-Ray.

If only we could get a new English dub, too.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:30 pm Reply with quote
Yeah good luck with that. Laughing
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chronoclast



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:32 pm Reply with quote
penguintruth wrote:
I love Bubblegum Crisis so much I bought it twice on DVD, the original release and the remastered edition. I'd probably get it a third time on Blu-Ray.

If only we could get a new English dub, too.


I suggested a goal for a new English dub on the forum Robert put up for feedback.

Robert said if enough supporters want it and the budget allowed for it, he'd be fine doing a new dub. It would delay the set until late next year though.

Post on there if you want it, same goes for everyone else. He's listening to all feedback.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:33 pm Reply with quote
I would have liked to see this system used on Yawara! to complete the rest of the boxsets.
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Kikaioh



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:45 pm Reply with quote
I already have the remastered edition, but I think I would double-dip for this. Very Happy
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Gilles Poitras



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:25 pm Reply with quote
Actually AnimEigo released Bubblegum Crisis in a DVD box set not in 2004 but in 1998 in a large box with the discs themselves in CD cases as those were the days before the present DVD cases came into existence. Perhaps the first US DVD release of any anime series. The distribution was handled by M2K, Multimedia 2000, Inc.

I have the box in front of me as I type this, quite the artifact.
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Clyde_Cash



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:51 pm Reply with quote
I didn't even think AnimEigo was still around.
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