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invalidname
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:06 pm Reply with quote
Thanks for taking my question about rewatching favorite scenes. It's a habit I'd noticed in myself, and figured I couldn't be alone. The ones I find myself rewatching are major emotional moments, big speeches that define a character, or just big payoffs, like these:

I think I drifted into this habit as a result of having bought shows off iTunes, or ripping them from DVD, and now we have ubiquitous streaming, all of which makes it that much easier to quickly access a specific scene, anywhere and anytime. It also helps that sometimes people will put an important scene on YouTube (copyrights be damned), like this good one: Fuu's Breakdown from episode 9 of Yuki Yuna Is A Hero.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:10 pm Reply with quote
Ok the floging will now begin for not only not seeing spice and wolf but for saying final destination the anime (aka another) is better then spice and wolf. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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Izanagi009



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:53 pm Reply with quote
in terms of Guilty Pleasures, my Guilty Pleasure is Toaru Majutsu no Index.

Is it stupid at times when Touma runs into women? Yes. Is it overly long and explains too much? Yes. Do a lot of characters enter and then leave because of lack of relevance? Yes. I however still like the show because of the crazy powers and magic used.

Also, Zac, just in reference to your comment about SNAFU, the show actually takes efforts to deconstruct Hachiman's attitude towards the world and as of the second season is trying to grow out of it.
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Angel M Cazares



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:56 pm Reply with quote
The exchange about anime makers/producers coming together and deciding what tropes/cliches to use on shows was very funny. I wish the anime industry really worked that way. Razz

Just a comment on Parasyte. The first third was excellent, the second third struggled, but the last third managed to stabilize the series. The start was super strong, and the creators could not keep that pace throughout.

I disagree that the ending was that bad. It was not as satisfying as it could have been, but it did manage to have enough closure and answer the most important questions. Regardless, I still rated Parasyte Very good and consider it the best anime series from 2014.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:04 pm Reply with quote
Concrete Revolutio is supposed to work like a comic book superhero universe, a shared continuity with Japanese style heroes. Where you have Thor being a urban fantasy, Daredevil being a crime story, Hulk a monster story and Guardians being a space opera. Very different stories with very different genres mashed together. That's why it seems like a bunch of ideas that don't fit because that's what superhero universes are really.

So imagine the magical girl being the star of her own series and the giant ultra-man guy starring in his own series, and the batman secret agent part of his own series but all of the stories take place in the same universe.

And they managed to foreshadow it in the first scene with the main character reading a shonen manga with... witches, aliens, and tokusatsu. So the actual origin stories and plotlines the series throws at you doesn't really matter as much in themselves, it's to establish what kind of universe the world is. There are superheroes everywhere each with their long-running soap-opera-ish plotlines.

Although I agree that the story doesn't give you any reason to care about these characters so far. It just throws in plot, and time-jumps willy-nilly. But I find the method behind the show's madness to be interesting enough to keep watching.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:55 pm Reply with quote
>Says lists popular anime
>Death Parade
>Space Dandy
>Yuri Kuma

Really? Rolling Eyes

All those shows bombed hard.
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BodaciousSpacePirate
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:30 pm Reply with quote
Black Thunder 6 wrote:
>Says lists popular anime
>Death Parade
>Space Dandy
>Yuri Kuma

Really? Rolling Eyes

All those shows bombed hard.


Yet, all three were undeniably among the most talked-about shows of their seasons. If you asked people who are only-sort-of-into-anime-but-not-really to make a list of 2015 anime shows, there's a good chance that these shows would make that list, along with Prison School, Monster Girls, School-Live, and long-running stuff like Naruto, because these are the shows that they would have heard of online, if any.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:38 pm Reply with quote
I'm surprised that Zac didn't mention his favorite guilty pleasure, because I'm sure it's the same as mine: Saber Marionette J. It was one of the very first anime series that I saw, and I just fell in love. I now know it's a very generic, sub-par 90's anime, and far from perfect but I just can't help but like the characters. Also it was the first series that I listened to in Japanese, and it converted me to a sub only fan that lasted many, many years (however, 13 years later I now tend to prefer dubs because I am super lazy).
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Thatguy3331



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:30 pm Reply with quote
As for the next big Jump series I'm thinking (and hoping) it'll be My hero Academia once it's inevitable anime arrives. It's doing great as manga so far in both hemispheres from what I understand and all it needs is to hit the chapter mark where a studio can pretend they have enough material to work with. Since I care only so much for anime adaptations of said series I just hope it does well enough for the mangaka to get everything he wants in his work, especially considering the manga is pretty much everything I could personally ask for in a serialized mainstream manga. (which isn't to say I don't have my gripes but they're out matched by everything else.)

As for guilty pleasures, I have em, I've heard the argument against them but quite frankly I do like some shows for completely different reasons than others so yeah. For the longest time I considered the Toaru series (mostly Index I have several issues with railgun) to be my own, especially now since I have disdain for mostly anything related to Light Novels but I think I'm finally starting to outgrow it and or finding things I liked about it be done better in other series.

This was a fun show guys, thanks!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:35 am Reply with quote
angelmcazares wrote:
The exchange about anime makers/producers coming together and deciding what tropes/cliches to use on shows was very funny. I wish the anime industry really worked that way. Razz

Just a comment on Parasyte. The first third was excellent, the second third struggled, but the last third managed to stabilize the series. The start was super strong, and the creators could not keep that pace throughout.

I disagree that the ending was that bad. It was not as satisfying as it could have been, but it did manage to have enough closure and answer the most important questions. Regardless, I still rated Parasyte Very good and consider it the best anime series from 2014.


Parasyte flaws were more obvious in anime form. The writing near the end just became amateurish. Not a good idea to have your show spell out it's theme to the audience,and then proceed to beat you over the head with it.

I never understood the defensive attitude people have against the idea of guilty pleasures. Nothing wrong with enjoying schlock entertainment.
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marcos torres toledo



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:11 pm Reply with quote
Is the Paraysite mention the anime now being shown on the Cartoon Network? Confused
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Mr. Oshawott



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:15 pm Reply with quote
David.Seth wrote:
I'm surprised that Zac didn't mention his favorite guilty pleasure, because I'm sure it's the same as mine: Saber Marionette J.

Saber Marionette J is among my favorites as well. Although its quality of its English version was...all over the place (some parts were good, others, not so good), I enjoyed the voices of Lime, Cherry, and Bloodberry. Now I'm wondering how the show will play out in its reboot.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:16 pm Reply with quote
marcos torres toledo wrote:
Is the Paraysite mention the anime now being shown on the Cartoon Network? Confused


Yep.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:56 pm Reply with quote
marcos torres toledo wrote:
Is the Paraysite mention the anime now being shown on the Cartoon Network? Confused

It is.

Anyway, regarding what Zac said about how it's important to accept criticism of the thing you like (or guilty pleasure in the context of what he's talking about) while still being capable of liking said thing, I kind of agree with all of that. That said, I personally value constructive or insightful criticism. I'm not really into the overly harsh, ridiculing, caustic criticism. I don't think it really provides much benefit to a discussion since the end result of that specific approach to criticism seems to usually result in either people strongly agreeing with you and thus ridiculing something with you or people strongly disagreeing with you and thus unpleasantly headbutting against you.

I don't think that's a point of view a lot of people on the internet care for. But it's what makes sense to me.
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Alan45
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:08 pm Reply with quote
Guilty Pleasure: My take is that no program is perfect. No program is immune from criticism. If someone, even a reviewer dislikes a show I enjoy, well so be it, that is their problem not mine. Unless someone is in a position to interfere with my access to something I want, I don't care what they think. I really liked it when Zac referred to a review as a point to start a conversation and not a dictate on high as to what you could like or how.

When someone says that a show is a guilty pleasure, I take it that they are acknowledging that it is flawed and not liked by everyone. In essence they are apologizing for liking it. I'm not about to apologize for liking anything. If it is not what someone else likes, I won't insist they watch it and won't discuss it with them. However I'm not going to pretend that there is something wrong with my liking it.

To me, the term guilty pleasure is one of those that are mildly irritating but really unnecessary. If only a few of the shows you like are guilty pleasures, does this mean that everything else is beyond reproach and should be liked by all thinking people??
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