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sjk9000
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Well, it's a complicated topic. More diversity in voice acting can only be a good thing, and the move to back to Texas-based VA's has certainly hurt that. But I'm also not comfortable acting like dubbing companies are obligated to cast minority-coded characters with minority VAs. Calling Suletta's casting a "missed opportunity" seems disrespectful to to Ms. Harris, since it's judging her suitability for the role based on her ethnicity rather than her talents as a voice actor.
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louis6578
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I say to just pick one. There's no harm in being incorrect. You're still giving it to a minority ethnicity. Speaking as a minority myself, being half-African-American, I don't think we need to scrutinize over every cast choice for an ethnically different character. Trying is important, but getting someone who can capture the personality is more important than staying politically on top of things.
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thekingsdinner
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As long as the actress does a good job, there is no problem imo.
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RemGalleuSimp
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Yikes ANN really takes any chance it gets to shit on Crunchyroll (They deserve it most of the time) but in this case talk about needless making it look larger than it was.
The overwhelming majority of responses to the casting where positive and supportive didn't see any of them included just now deleted tweets and veiled shade thrown on twitter, there where a few not happy yes but fudge sake way to make it larger than it was ANN. In terms of the casting itself, its a [expletive] insanely tricky situation not one that can be handled on [expletive] twitter or an ANN interest piece and talk about being disrespectful to those that where cast. I dont see anywhere in this ANN piece where you confirmed that MENA actresses where not audition and the flip I dont have any proof to say they where, but there is such a thing as the best audition got the job, acting like we need to typecast based on a characters perceived race is always so stupid, the best audition for the role got the role deal with it. Roles shouldn't be tokened off that's disrespectful on all sides. Minority VA's have shouted for years that should get a chance to audition for all character types (WHICH THEY 100% SHOULD) but also from the logic here from a small minority of VA's upset, characters with a perceived race should only go to VA's that match it....in essence 'So we should be allowed audition for any type of role but when it comes to this character with a perceived race implied oh no thats something only we can voice'...Hypocrisy much Last edited by RemGalleuSimp on Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:33 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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penguintruth
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I think you’re overestimating how much people care about this.
Suletta is also neurodivergent coded, but you don’t see anyone demand a neurodivergent voice actor play her. Would it be nice to have more representation? Sure. But is this particular casting that insulting? |
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ANN_Lynzee
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Do you want a list of all the voice actors that responded to or shared Tarsha's Twitter thread on the issue? I honestly thought it would be in poor taste to name them all. You can go to the linked thread and look yourself.
You're reading a tone into the article that isn't there, which might explain why your post reads so...offended? Nowhere in the article does it suggest that the casting decisions are objectively wrong. It explains that this is currently a point of discussion within the VA community on social media and why. Crunchyroll isn't going to come out and say who auditioned and didn't get the part or that a MENA actor auditioned for Suletta but they weren't as good so we went with Harris. That would be a PR nightmare. Last edited by ANN_Lynzee on Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:36 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Glordit
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This was a non-issue which is been blown out of proportion for whatever reason.
I don't watch dubs but good on the people getting voice roles. Why can't we just celebrate them getting a role? Why must it be about politics and representation? |
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ChibiGoku
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While this is not specifically Suletta, I was not happy with the casting of Odokawa on the ODD TAXI dub for the same reason. They could've gotten a nuerodivergent actor and they chose not and I felt that was such a missed opportunity. I got some crap for it on my twitter feed for it, too. So yes, actually, it's a missed opportunity with Suletta as well. Representation matters. Like, I cannot stress this enough.
Unless you're a minority, you don't understand how important this stuff is. Like, seeing people, characters, and yes, voice actors, represent you, is extremely important to us. People who aren't minorities, don't get it, because you're represented every day. We're not. |
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kaoru99
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I'm going to ignore the whole casting argument because I genuinely don't care and find it to be performative at the end of the day by studios and actors. English dubs are going to do whatever they want in the end of the day. But I want to say using names to try to figure out ethnicity seems like a bad idea. People said the same thing about John Cho being cast as Spike Spiegel in Cowboy Bebop because "Spiegel" is a Jewish name and people insisted the character must be Jewish. But Watanabe has said he's Japanese and based on actor Yusaku Matsuda and described as "oriental" by other characters in canon. Gundam is a franchise with names like Bork Cry, Cracker Griffon, and Revive Revival. Nothing about the name Chibodee Crocket screams American to me, let alone any specific ethnicity, but yet he's the (white???) American guy in G Gundam. (Maybe he's named after Davy Crockett, but Chibodee sure isn't a real name at all...)
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Cloudywind
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do nationalities even matter any more in G-witch? Privilege is more class-based in that context. Spacians who appear to be of color such as Shaddiq and Guel are no less privileged than pale-skinned spacians like Miorine or Elan (True) within their class, but are a world away from any earthian of any color or ancestry. Suletta is mocked by other spacians not for being dark skinned, but for being from a poor remote mining community and a little baby corporation within the megacorp group; meanwhile earthians consider her to be simply another spacian oppressor.
idk, the focus on ethnicity and nationality feels misplaced within the show's context in which it's so much window dressing. Unlike with (say) Setsuna F Seiei, skintone may be represented but the underlying associated group disadvantage and nature of colonial trauma probably isn't. Last edited by Cloudywind on Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:12 pm; edited 5 times in total |
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zanm0nk
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I watched the tweets unfold all afternoon/evening yesterday... It's a shame that individuals may be feeling pressure to quash their dissent when this really is such a big issue in the industry overall. Crunchyroll chose to announce this role on the first day of Black History month here in the US so they deserve to get all the shade possible for the insult. Their choice to stick in Texas, a backwards RTW state that takes human rights away from its citizens regularly, is disgusting to begin with. But the fact that they're actively working to recast voice talent that they took on as remote work, when there's absolutely no technical reason to do so, is asinine at best.
That said, I feel terrible for the voice actors involved in the show, and even Jill Harris specifically. I'm sure they didn't ask to get embroiled in this controversy. I hope no one is giving them any shit for taking on the roles. They're all wonderful at what they do, and many of them are genuinely excited to finally be a part of a franchise that they may have grown up with... I know I would be. Plus, my understanding is that the CR staff (VAs) have little choice in the casting decisions (I could be wrong about this). I've heard that the VAs don't really even audition since the decisions and talent are all in house for the vast majority of their projects (which again, is BS IMO). Anyway, Crunchyroll needs to start listening to the community instead of outright ignoring them and hoping each controversy just goes away, or they're going to start losing customers along with voice talent. |
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RemGalleuSimp
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Yeah...way to miss / gloss over the main point I was making of not including the other side such as the many positive and supportive tweets to the casting. I guess you did throw in Alejandro Saab's casting near the end. But it just read as a bit to biased since any positive reaction to Suletta's casting seemed to be left out and the majority of the article was was lets find a reason to shit on CR again and bring up there casting decisions once again. As for the whole me seeming 'offended' aspect...yeah no, I just dont see the point of this type of article it just seems needlessly clickbaitty and needlessly biased. Honestly if you had included a couple of the positive VA responses to Suletta's casting I wouldn't have said anything to begin with. Lastly not saying CR doesn't deserve criticism for the shit they have done. But this just seems like trying to hijack a small disagreement over an anime characters perceived race on twitter and turn it into a lets shit on CR piece. Last edited by RemGalleuSimp on Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:02 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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chronium
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A lot of the issues really stem from the fact that people are making assumptions about who Suletta is. Most people are assuming that Suletta is Eri but we know she's not because the prologue was mentioned in the show to be like 18 years before the show and then there is also the fact that we don't even know if she is even related to Eri or if she's just a brainwashed test subject.
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ANN_Lynzee
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Again:
Even the continued comment of "an excuse to shit on CR" is weird. We didn't plant this conversation that's happening. Some voice actors are unhappy with CR's current casting methods and we're reporting on that. If you don't think it's a worthwhile conversation, regardless of the many industry members taking part in it, that's fine?
If you post a swear-laden response to an article, people are going to think you're mad. Last edited by ANN_Lynzee on Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:06 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Nigel Planter
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Is February 1st some national day of mourning in America where companies aren't suppose to announce anything or something? What does G-Witch have to do with Black History Month? |
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