Forum - View topicNEWS: Comic Shop's DC-Funded Ad: 'Buy American,' Trade Manga for DC Issue
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penguintruth
Posts: 8461 Location: Penguinopolis |
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Actually, this reminds me of something I saw in an American comic.
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RestLessone
Posts: 1426 Location: New York |
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@Apollo-kun
I never called you an idiot. I said that you sounded idiotic (which, by the way, by definition does not mean you are an idiot, just that you are, in this case, speaking in idiotically). I do not believe you to be an idiot, and I apologize if you thought it that way. Also, it would only qualify as a "comeback" if it was all I relied on. I did not. My reply to you itself, now that I read it again, could also qualify as "idiotic," at least by my tone. (Which, by the way, I didn't mean to act as defensive as my writing would imply. Apologies there as well.) My reaction could also be considered knee-jerk. However, I don't think it's fair to claim your opinion as "insignificant" as a defense against my words. My opinion is no more significant. What does matter is truth. I rather have people have strong facts than some knowledge; the facts may change the opinion. My "research is fun" comment was not aimed at sales; it was by your implications that the "reboot" was taking everything from the start. I juxtaposed wrongly. Were there some unhappy campers? Yes; it was unavoidable. Were some new series badly written? Of course. But that doesn't mean they are braking the loyalties of their customers and it doesn't mean they aren't attempting to fix the problems evident in the series. It doesn't mean they're completely disregarding customers. Even if they are, to some extent, destroying some bonds, they need to make money in a climate where their sales weren't doing entirely well, and they were falling behind Marvel. It's understandable, even if not always the best option. A business is a business. Finally: yes, they'll be distributing them at a major con. Perhaps I missed that part. (Doesn't help that on other forums I visited that they spoke of it as one person's shop.) I'll admit that mistake. But I still don't see the huge deal. It's still just a joke, and I don't think the stir is warranted. (Also, I don't think DC will be distributing. Sounds like just the guy, in which case it still doesn't feel the same as a sanctioned, nation-wide DC promotion.) In any case, sorry for the wrong impression. You are free to go against them if you so wish, and I can see why you would. I just don't agree, considering the conditions. |
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Apollo-kun
Posts: 1213 Location: City 7, Macross 7 |
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I'll admit I got a bit defensive on the idiotic part, and for that, I apologize. I respect your opinion, and I'm actually glad you gave me an alternate viewpoint to this issue. And I understand the need to rebrand one's self in order to make sales. However, a lot of the comic-related blogs, websites, etc, that I frequent seem to be generally displease with the New 52 thing, and it is from that I have developed somewhat of a bias. While it may not be entirely valid, I still feel kind of sketchy about the treatment of some fan-favorite characters. What they've done to Wonder Woman irritates me a great deal, as well as Batman. I have a tad bit of nerd rage driving me, and the fact that DC supported this ad (jokingly, I know) fueled it to a point where I lashed out. While we may disagree on some of the issues here, I'm glad we were able to reach a sensible solution, and it's nice to talk with somebody who's willing to converse instead of attack. I'm sorry for the wryness of my last post |
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RestLessone
Posts: 1426 Location: New York |
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To be fair, I really should have left that part out. I was debating it, then decided to "screw it" and go for it. Bad mistake on my part. Looking back, I could've handled that much better. Also, it's...really odd to find someone who apolgizes on the Internet. I'm so used to people who rather die than apologize or admit they were wrong. I can definitely see why you feel that way. I'll be honest--some parts of the New 52 annoy me as well. While most does remain the same, I dislike how certain marriages have been dissolves, what's happened to Krypto, etc. I suppose I got past it by realizing that, in a few years, lots of things will probably return to normal. Retconning isn't good, but in this case...I haven't read Wonder Woman, but the new Batman series has been good, and I am enjoying Batman and Robin. Can't say anything about Detective Comics or Gotham Knight, though. My lashing out was similar. I time and again witnessed people who dig at the US market or a company, when they really have done no research. You were the unlucky one who broke the dam (Congratulations!) But, after cooling off, it's easier to communicate. I'm glad we've reached this point. I guess we both got a little strange there. Glad it was sorted out. |
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Sunday Silence
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Not quite exactly the Parable of the broken window (quickly use the ESC button once the page loads if looking during the SOPA blackout) that was Cash for Clunkers. Apparently the guy who's doing the trade in according the BC website forums intends of reselling the traded in manga for a buck a pop. Compared to the CFC of destroying the engine (considered by breakers as one of the most valuable aspects of a car for salvage if in good running order) and crushing the entire car in a specific time-frame (under a few months IIRC, which leaves little time for a breaker to strip useable parts from a car). Edited to add: Sankaku Complex pointed out something very funny that nobody picked up on:
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oblivious247
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I may like manga, but I'll take a realistic looking girl over an anime style girl any day. And your need for drawn porn...not even going to comment on that... Can't really argue with someone who is dead set on American comics being inferior. You clearly have very little experience with them, and you will continue toting your ignorant opinions regardless of what anyone says. |
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ikillchicken
Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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I said I'd dig up the link if anyone actually wanted it. In fact, someone already beat me to it:
Let's just skip past the inane straw man. I never said every single Japanese title had a western equivalent. I never even said that every genre was equally represented. Obviously there are some things in Japan not found in western comics (and of course there are many things found in western comics that you won't find in Japan). Hell, I never even said "as diverse". I actually agree that generally manga is somewhat more diverse (mainly because it does cater more to women as well as men). What I actually said though is that there's a mountain of stuff that isn't superheroes, is recent characters, and is worth reading. Hence, dismissing western comics as a whole on any of these grounds is moronic.
Honestly, if you have such specific tastes that all you like is cute slice of life moe girls, then that's fine. Stick with manga. Nothing wrong with that. Just don't go around spewing ignorant generalizations about western comics. |
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TigerFaceFreak
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You deserve this. ^ Look up. I don't care. And take off that profile of Vash. You're giving one of my favorite series a VERY bad name.[/b] |
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ikillchicken
Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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You know, there's this guy on ANN who keeps sending out these really weird and random PMs to people. He's been doing it for months now. You'd almost think he was a spam bot (but he can't be). Anyway, I always just sort of assumed that he would go down in ANN history as the single craziest, most incoherent (and yet inexplicably furious) dude to ever post on the ANN forums. But now, suddenly, out of absolutely nowhere...a new challenger appears!
[And then he was gone... - Keonyn] |
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oblivious247
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About a third of the way through that giant wall of text I stopped caring. Halfway through I no longer knew what he was talking about.
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BonusStage
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The first group I saw seemed weird since half of them are 'sadly unfinished', one is apparently full of spin offs. another is rebooted by Marvel, and other weird footnotes plastered all over each recommendation just seems weird people would use them as a guide to get manga fans into comics.
but if they dismiss it because of that lack of diversity, it's not really moronic. especially if you just admit it. same with your comment on how manga is more misogynistic and dc is just a 'drop in the bucket' when you also just admit there's manga for women in Japan, unlike DC. Recent characters for superheroes don't mean much, they'll just take 50 more years to be considered old, assuming they don't get killed off or forgotten during some huge crossover event [quote]Honestly, if you have such specific tastes that all you like is cute slice of life moe girls, then that's fine. Stick with manga. Nothing wrong with that. Just don't go around spewing ignorant generalizations about western comics.[/quote Just how many different genres do people need to name before it doesn't become 'specific tastes'. I'm sure we could think of tons. |
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jsieczkar
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The idea behind the ad is actually a good one to try and get readers to try some new comic titles. I can see having a few Vol#1s of series that you never went past book 1 with that people would trade for a new title. With how little used manga is worth and if it is a book you won't read again it is a fair trade for the consumer. Some of the 52s have been really good:
Animal Man (Lemire, Foreman) Action Comics (Morrison, Morales) Batwoman (Williams III, Hadley) best relaunched title Batgirl (Gail Simone, Syaf) For those looking for non super hereo titles: Fairest starts in three months and is Fables from the female characters point of view. Smoke and Mirrors is a fantasy / mystery title Saga Sci-Fi / Fantasy The Manhattan Projects horror (i think) Fatale Ed Brubaker's newest noir crime series. It is amazing, as is his other crime books: Criminal, Incognito and sleeper Supurbia superhero comedy, think superhero book meets real housewives |
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ikillchicken
Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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I frankly don't give two craps whether you think the way the list is formatted is weird. The fact that you're even going there just shows how much you're grasping at straws. You wanted "proof". Now you have it. Tons of comics that aren't superheroes. Tons of comics that feature new characters. Simple, undeniable fact that contradicts your foolish generalizations.
Once again your only recourse is to put words in my mouth. I never said western comics lacked diversity. I just said manga is probably more diverse. Equating "less" to "lacking" is glaringly incorrect.
Being misogynistic and offering content aimed at women are two completely different issues. There are more manga aimed at women but that doesn't mean there's not also a ton of other manga that's wildly misogynistic.
Well, more that just the one would be a start. Really though, it's irrelevant. Once again looking at the massive list of stuff people have provided it's painfully clear that western comics in no way lack diversity. If you can't find at least a few things worth reading in all that then you do indeed have really narrow taste. (And once again, that's not even necessarily a bad thing. Just don't go crapping on something because of it). |
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UltimaShadowfax
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Not necessarily. You get what, 10 or 15 cents for a volume of manga that you don't want anymore at a used bookstore. With this deal you get a new comic book worth, whatever they're selling them for nowadays. 3 or 4 bucks? So it's a pretty good deal. I heard a lot of people have some old CMX manga series that never got finished releasing. Maybe try out some New 52? I heard Batwoman is fantastic. If any of it turns out to be crap, you can always trade it in later for 10 or 15 cents anyway. EDIT: And those looking for some diversity and/or something different in American comics, pick up Transmetropolitan by Warren Ellis! |
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